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TAG
TAG
No
No
Is knowledge possible?
Is knowledge possibl...
Why not?
Why not?
Because everything is relative and there is no objective truth(Relativism)
Because everything i...
Is that statement itself objectively true?
Is that statement it...
Yes
Yes
Then the original statement is proven false
Then the orig...
No
No
Then relativism is self-admittedly not the case
Then relativism is s...
Conclusion:Relativism is false and self-refuting
Conclusion:Relativis...
Yes
Yes
How do you justify and ground the preconditions for knowledge such as universals,laws of logic,meaning of language,existence of self, transcendental categories etc.?
How do you justify and gro...
Knowledge is completely impossible, there is not even such a thing as a relative truth
Knowledge is completely...
Do you know that to be the case?
Do you know that to...
Yes
Yes
Then that contradicts the original statement.Which means the original statement is self-refuting.
Then that contradicts the orig...
No
No
Then you can't assert the original statement, given you yourself admit that you don't know whether it is the case.
Then you can't assert the...
Autonomous Epistemology
Autonomous Epistemol...
Atheism/Agnosticism
Atheism/Agnosticism
Deism
Deism
Natural Theology
Natural Theology
What is your criteria of truth based on?
What is your criteri...
It comes from self-evident maxims, such as logic,existence of the external world,universals,meaning of language etc.(Some form of foundationalism)
It comes from self-ev...
Why are they true?
Why are they true?
They are self-evident,they just are
They are self-eviden...
Self-evident according to whom, and why should anybody accept your self-evident maxims?
Self-evident accordin...
What is the ontological status of logic and reason?
What is the ontologi...
They don't have any ontological status,meaning that they don't have any existence outside of our mental faculties (conceptualism)
They don't have any ontol...
If you can't bridge the gap between what is in your head and the thing outside,then you can't make any meaningful predication.
If you can't bridge the...
If they're invented,then any given rule can be "justified",then they can be overturned, there is no objective quantifier as to why they have to be the case and not something else
If they're invented,then any...
All propositions and value judgements are equally valid, because what they are based on is arbitrary and can be accepted or rejected at will
All propositions and val...
Which would mean that contradictory claims and propositions are all equally valid
Which would mean that...
Meaningful discourse is impossible because everything is arbitrary
Meaningful discourse...
Knowledge is impossible
Knowledge is impossi...
Knowledge is impossible
Knowledge is impossi...
Platonic, or Quasi-platonic route
Platonic, or Quasi-p...
They are forms outside the mind, and they are located in the ideal immaterial plane of reality that is beyond the senses
They are forms outsid...
How do you know those forms exist?
How do you know thos...
How do you know your words can reach and appeal to this immaterial plane?
How do you know your...
By using my immaterial faculty.
By using my immateri...
How do you know your immaterial faculty corresponds properly with that plane?
How do you know your...
By checking whether intentioned consequences and effects are produced
By checking whether...
If a thief made a plan and used his reason to steal, would that mean that he actually reached that platonic realm?
If a thief made a plan an...
Apathy Route
Apathy Rou...
Yes.
Yes.
So the same is the case any and all actions,no matter how revolting, as long as the intended effect is produced?
So the same is the case...
Yes.
Yes.
So there is no objective right or wrong?
So there is no objec...
Yes.
Yes.
Then that leads to ethical relativism. And there is no objective reason to believe the things you are believing, your position is arbitrary.
Then that leads to et...
Evil actions are not reasonable route
Evil actio...
No, because doing wrong things is not reasonable.
No, because doing wr...
How do you know what is right and what is wrong?
How do you know what...
I just do.
I just do.
What if I or another Platonist also accept that, and come to different conclusions?
What if I or another...
Your position is reduced to relativism
Your position is red...
Knowledge is impossible.
Knowledge is impossi...
How do you know reason includes avoiding wrong actions?
How do you know reas...
That contradicts the initial criteria given, which was producing the intentioned effects. You self-contradicted.
That contradicts the in...
Is your belief that those things are self-evident, itself self evident?
Is your belief that...
Yes
Yes
No
No
And is your belief  regarding your belief that those things are self-evident is also self-evident?And so on?
And is your belief  r...
You can't use reason,logic and argumentation to prove reason,logic and argumentation. That's begging the question.
You can't use reason,...
Theological Refutations of Other Paradigms
Theological Refutations of Other Paradigms
Theonomous Epistemology
Theonomous Epistemol...
If no cognitive process has any foundation in reality,then no cognitive process actually reflects the external world.
If no cognitive process h...
How do you know your mind apprehended the object of intention?
How do you know your...
Because of the platonic ideas in the platonic realm.
Because of the plato...
How would you apply the platonic forms in a practical sense?
How would you apply...
Theism
Theism
Dualism(There is a material realm and spiritual/transcendent/alternative realm)
Dualism(There is a material rea...
Do you know the dual realm?
Do you know the dual...
Yes
Yes
No
No
Then the dual realm is inaccessible to the mind.
Then the dual realm...
How do you know the dual realm?
How do you know the...
You can't ground any knowledge whatsoever.
You can't ground any...
Based on self-evident axioms.
Based on self-eviden...
Because the dual realms interpenetrate each other.
Because the dual rea...
How do you discern between the content of the dual realm and the material realm?
How do you discern b...
The substances of these two things are apparent to the intellect.
The substances of th...
How do you know that?
How do you know that?
I just do.
I just do.
That's arbitrary.
That's arbitrary.
Monism(Everything is one)
Monism(Everything is...
How do you know that?
How do you know that?
From the One.
From the One.
How do you know the One?
How do you know the...
We see an underlying unity in the substance of reality.
We see an underlying...
How do you discern between unity and multiplicity?
How do you discern b...
It is apparent to the mind.
It is apparent to the...
How do you know that?
How do you know that?
I just do.
I just do.
That's arbitrary.
That's arbitrary.
Because the multiplicity is just an illusion.
Because the multipli...
In which case, because we see reality as multiple, the way we see reality is also an illusion.
In which case, becaus...
So knowledge from reality is also an illusion.
So knowledge from re...
Knowledge is impossible
Knowledge is impossi...
I just do.
I just do.
That's arbitrary.(see the flowcharts on the left.)
That's arbitrary.(se...
Islam
Islam
"Biblical" Unitarianism
"Biblical" Unitarian...
Talmudic Judaism
Talmudic Judaism
Unitarian Theologies
Unitarian Theologies
How do you have knowledge?
How do you have know...
Because of God's revelation.
Because of God's rev...
Natural theology/Autonomous epistemology.
Natural theology/Aut...
See the diagrams on the left.
See the diagrams on...
Is God's revelation distinct from his essence?
Is God's revelation...
Yes
Yes
No
No
Absolute Divine Simplicity(ADS)
Absolute Divine Simp...
Is God's revelation  uncreated?
Is God's revelation...
No
No
Then it is created.God is uncreated, so his revelation doesn't give access to himself.Because how can you know about the uncreated through created mediums?
Then it is created.God is...
Yes
Yes
Is God's revelation external to God?
Is God's revelation...
Yes
Yes
God goes out of his numerical oneness in expression/act.Because there is God and God's revelation.
God goes out of his numer...
No
No
It's circular to say that you know God from God's revelation, which is God himself.
It's circular to say...
Which is begging the question.
Which is begging the...
You can't know anything about God.
You can't know anyth...
You can't know any knowledge that God reveals.
You can't know any k...
Roman Catholicism (ADS)
Roman Catholicism (A...
God's revelation is also his essence.
God's revelation is...
God's revelation is created/is a created effect.
God's revelation is...
God is not a created effect,so when the mind inclines to a created effect, it does not incline to God.
God is not a created...
So the mind does not have access to God. 
So the mind does not...
Then the mind has access to God's essence.
Then the mind has ac...
Which would mean that God's essence is intelligible.
Which would mean tha...
Which would mean that God's essence is circumscribed.
Which would mean tha...
God is limited.
God is limited.
God is not divine.
God is not divine.
Protestants who accept ADS
Protestants who acce...
Protestantism
Protestantism
Canon Conundrum(How do you know the canon of Scripture?)
Canon Conundrum(How...
I just do.
I just do.
That's arbitrary.
That's arbitrary.
God determined it.
God determined it.
How do you know the canon you have is the canon that God determined?
How do you know the...
Because God revealed it to the Church.
Because God revealed...
Who were the people who put the Bible together and do you believe in the same things that they believe?
Who were the people who put th...


Which Church? 


Which Church?...
Yes
Yes
No
No
So you believe in the same things as the Holy Fathers of 6th Council?
So you believe in th...
No
No
You just contradicted yourself.
You just contradicte...
Yes
Yes
No you don't.Because (among many other reasons) you have a different canon from them. They approved of and included the deuterocanon in the Bible,which you reject.In fact, nobody had the Protestant canon prior to the 16th century.
No you don't.Because (among...
Then you have no basis for claiming their tradition regarding which books go into the Bible, given the fact that you by your own admission have a different faith than them.
Then you have no basis for...
Your position is arbitrary.
Your position is arb...
Based on my personal feelings when I read the Bible.
Based on my personal...
That's an appeal to emotion, and not a proper justification.
That's an appeal to...
Your position is arbitrary.
Your position is arb...
Because of such-and-such verse(s), or rather, my interpretation of said verses.
Because of such-and-such...
That's an invalid move, because the question of which books go into the Bible is an epistemically prior question to referencing and interpreting the Bible. You are begging the question by assuming you have the correct canon in order to prove your own position. And if you concede that you don't have the correct canon, then the content of the Bible is completely up for grabs, and anyone can come up with their own individual canon, and they're just as equally valid as yours, because it's all arbitrary.
That's an invalid move, because the...
So if somebody were to come along and come up with their own canon of, for example just the 5 books of Moses for the Old Testament and only the book of Galatians for the New Testament; based on their own personal feelings and interpretations, how can you possibly dispute that?
So if somebody were...
You can't. Your position is just as baseless as theirs, it's all arbitrary.
You can't. Your posi...
Oriental "Orthodoxy"
Oriental "Orthodoxy"
Is the composite hypostasis(person) of Christ created or uncreated?
Is the composite hyp...
Even amongs those who believe in mixtures and fusions,reality is divided into created and uncreated,and so one thing by itself cannot simultaneously be created and uncreated;if it is then we would need to distinguish parts of it that are created and other parts as uncreated.
Even amongs those who believe...
Uncreated
Uncreated
Both
Both
Then there has to be two natures due to the reasons explained above.
Then there has to be...
Then He is not consubstantial with us.
Then He is not consu...
Yes
Yes
No
No
Then you're stuck in an infinite regress.
Then you're stuck in...
Then the things you claimed are self-evident are not self-evident, because they are based on a belief that is not self-evident
Then the things you claim...
Often times, when TAG is presented, people reply "Where is the argument?" or "What is the syllogism?". First we need to explain the form of a transcendental argument, and then we need to present it. This flowchart will make much more sense if you understand the contents of this box correctly, so please pay attention to the following excerpt from Fr. Dcn. Dr. Ananias' paper, "An Orthodoxy Theory of Knowledge".


"The form of a transcendental argument is as follows: X is a necessary condition for the possibility of Y, such that Y cannot obtain without X. Furthermore, given that X would be a condition for Y, it is said that the claim (Y ⸧ X) is not merely an a posteriori necessary truth established according to natural laws governing our actual world, but that it is an a priori and metaphysical necessary truth. In other words, the truth of this claim is not discovered through experience by the empirical sciences (e.g. water = H2O), but rather this truth holds metaphysically such that X is a condition for Y in every possible world. Therefore, the claim made by transcendental arguments, that X is a condition for Y, amounts to ‘X is a necessary condition for Y,’ and this necessary condition possesses modal strength. Within transcendental arguments, not only is X a necessary condition for human reason or thought, it is a necessary condition for the possibility of human reason. For even if there were no human thought or reason in existence, X would still have to exist, since X is a necessary condition for the logical possibility of human thought at all. Therefore, according to S5 modal logic, we can ascribe modal operators to our premises when formally representing our transcendental argument (where □ = necessarily, and ◊ = possibly) in the following valid deductive syllogism:

1. ◊Y
2. □(◊Y) [from (1) and axiom 5]
3. □(◊Y⸧ X) [transcendental premise]
4. So, □(◊Y) ⸧ □X [from (3) and axiom K]
5. Therefore, □X [from (2) and (4)]


As James Anderson points out in constructing a transcendental argument according to S5 modal logic (as seen above), when the transcendental premise (3) is expressed as a claim about a necessary condition for the possibility of human thought, then the transcendental argument delivers its conclusion that X is not only transcendentally necessary, but that it is “necessary in the broad logical sense as well.” This provides one with the strongest type of transcendental argument.

The Transcendental Argument for the Existence of God (TAG), not to be confused with a God-of-the-gaps
argument (a fallacy), simply removes all objections and excuses for not believing in God. TAG is a
presuppositional argument and critiques the presuppositions of other world views. Again, since everyone
presupposes something (e.g., a precommitment in using logic, reason, evidence, making arguments, etc.), there
is no one who is presuppositionally neutral when it comes to factual questions and experience (as Natural
Theology/classical foundationalism would have it). As stated earlier, the use of reason, logic, evidence,
arguments is not something proven by experience. It is that by which one proceeds to prove everything else.
However, one nevertheless has to ground and justify that reason, logic, and arguments work and are valid
operations for what they think these operations can obtain and establish (this is a meta-logical analysis). The
problem is that man, locked within his own sphere of reason, cannot appeal to what is in question (i.e., reason,
logic, and arguments) to establish that reason, logic, and arguments are valid and work. This would be to engage in the fallacy of circular reasoning ("question begging") and epistemic bootstrapping. A Transcendental
Argument, therefore, attempts to discover the preconditions for the possibility of reason, logic, and
argumentation. It does this by taking some aspect of human rationality and investigates what must be true (i.e.,the necessary condition) in order for valid rational processes to be possible. Again, as we have seen,
transcendental arguments typically have the following form: For x to be the case, y must also be the case, since
y is the precondition (or the necessary condition) of x. And given x is the case, y is the case.
What the TAG demonstrates is that there is only one unique condition that will satisfy the conditions for the
possibility of knowledge, rationality, logic, and arguments. The necessary precondition (what must be
presupposed) in order to have knowledge, logic, and arguments is the Orthodox Christian notion of God as He
has revealed Himself to us (revelation therefore is required since we are unable to get out of the epistemic
quagmire of circularity). In other words, the TAG argues from the impossibility of the contrary. The contrary of
Orthodox Christianity (any view that denies the Orthodox Christian view of God) is shown to be impossible.
And if the negation of Orthodox Christianity is false, then Orthodox Christianity is proved true. That is to say,
the structure of the argument is a disjunctive syllogism. Either A or not-A; not-not-A; therefore A.
Consequently, if TAG establishes that Orthodox Christianity is the necessary conceptual precondition for
rationality, logic, and argumentation, then it follows that we must hold (presuppose) the Orthodox Christian
worldview as it has been revealed to us in order to be rational. Furthermore, if someone refuses to accept the
Orthodox Christian worldview or God’s existence, then they have no foundation for rationality and, without
such a foundation, they have no rational basis for mounting an objection against TAG or the conclusion of
TAG, that the Orthodox notion of God (which is not a generic theistic notion of God, but a personal God unique
only to Orthodoxy, the only condition that satisfies the demands set out) does not exist. Therefore, the God of
Orthodoxy exists."
Often times, when TAG is presented, people reply "Where is the argument?" or "What is the syllogism?". First we need to explain the...
Because that is the canon that is commonly accepted by x,y,z groups.
Because that is the c...
Appeal to masses fallacy.(Argumentum ad populum)
Appeal to masses fall...
The presentation of the argument and further information
The prese...
Note
Note
This flowchart is prepared for laypeople who are not that trained/knowledgable in theology,philosophy,logic,argumentation etc.The particular version of it stated here is by no means the only possible version of it, nor are the explications and refutations detailed here exhaustive.There can be many different versions and editions of TAG that uses a variety of concepts as their starting point, such as telos,causality,ethics etc.

Lastly, an overview of this flowchart. On the right side you will find the refutations of a plethora of paradigms. On the left side you will find the refutation of paradigms who adhere to autonomous epistemologies. In the middle part of the flowchart, you will find the explication of Orthodox theology and arguments for its coherency. For sources and credits, check top right.
This flowchart is prepared for laypeople who are not that trained/know...
How do you know what the things in the platonic realm that guide you regarding right and wrong are?
How do you know what the t...
I just do.
I just do.
That's arbitrary.
That's arbitrary.
Based on just my personal convictions/feelings.
Based on just my per...
Stoicism
Stoicism
Where do you ground telos?
Where do you ground...
In the impersonal divine mind, or Reason.
In the impersonal di...
If Reason is impersonal, then it doesn't have intentionality.If there is no intentionality, then there is no telos in Reason. If there is no telos, then there is no telos for this universe. If there is no telos in the universe that we live in, then knowledge is impossible.
If Reason is impersonal, then it...
Coherentism
Coherentism
Regarding the "web of beliefs", when taken individually/one by one, are any of them justified on their own?
Regarding the "web of be...
No
No
Then how does a web of belief made up of unjustified elements produce a justified system?What makes you think that a bunch of unjustified propositions will justify each other when put together?
Then how does a web of...
Foundationalism
Foundationalism
Yes
Yes
Then that's not coherentism, that's another form of foundationalism.
Then that's not cohe...
How do you know which belief to put in the web of belief and which to reject?What's the epistemic criteria for accepting or rejecting this or that belief, especially given the fact that they are all unjustified when taken into consideration individually?
How do you know which belief to put in...
How do you know your web of belief is the correct web of belief, and what's the epistemic criteria for disputing other webs of belief?
How do you know your web o...
Credit to Jay Dyer, David Erhan, and Fr. Dcn. Dr. Ananias. I got a good portion of the arguments and explications (and the knowledge underlying those) stated here from them,and another portion from others. Here is where you can find more of their content.I used Fr. Dcn.'s paper, "An Orthodox Theory of Knowledge" and David's article on www.patristicfaith.com titled "An Orthodox Critique of Severus of Antioch".You can find them and their content over at https://www.patristicfaith.com/. And here are their youtube channels for you to research further.

https://www.youtube.com/c/JayDyer
https://www.youtube.com/c/therealMedWhite
https://www.youtube.com/user/esorem
Credit to Jay Dyer, David Erhan, and Fr. Dcn. Dr. Ananias. I got a good portion of the ar...
(Note: There might be other paradigms who claim to have theonomous epistemology.But because they have been refuted elsewhere, we will only discuss our theology and epistemology here.)


Q:How is Orthodoxy coherent and how does it avoid the problems that plague other worldviews?
A:Orthodoxy solves the problem of one and the many.We can ground unity and multiplicity in God, because in our theology unity and multiplicity are in a balance within the Godhead. The Holy Trinity is one in essence and three in hypostasis. Because of said balance, we neither fall into monism, nor polytheism, and we avoid the problems associated with those paradigms.

We can make value judgements and truth claims, because the preconditions for knowledge(laws of logic, universals,transcendental categories etc.) are patterned after the uncreated patterns in the divine mind, or the logoi. And because there is analogia between, for example the laws of logic in our minds and the laws of logic in the divine mind, we can ground the preconditions for knowledge. Man is not stuck in the never ending vicious circle that autonomous epistemologies are in, because we can know God directly through the divine energies.Because we have the Essence Energy Distinction(EED) doctrine, man can know God directly, and God is accessible and all truth can be grounded in Him.

Objective and binding ethics is possible, because ethics and ethical values are not man-made arbitrary propositions, they have a basis in Divine Revelation.Ethics can only be grounded in the Orthodox understanding of the Trinity. Because in the Trinity is contained every possible and the highest conceivable good. And goodness is an attribute God has in its fullness.

The Incarnation solves the problem that Platonism,conceptualism and nominalism find themselves in.The Logos comes down and reveals Himself. And He reveals Himself as man.And by both his commandments and his actions, he demonstrates not only the divine ideal, but also the human ideal. He establishes in a revelatory way, the full criteria by which we can make logical predications and value judgements.So, the Incarnation fully closes the gap that previously existed between the mind of man and the realm of forms.


The One God, the Father, is not inaccessible or incomprehensible.We can know the  Father through the mediation of the Logos, the Incarnation[(John 1:18)"No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him."],and the Divine Energies. God is personal, and we can build a relationship with Him and know Him by perceiving His divine energies with our noetic faculty, which is the highest faculty of man.

Man is created in the image and likeness of God. That is the beginning of Orthodox anthropology.Man is tripartite, he is body,mind and soul.Man possesses the capacity of good in thoughts,words and deeds;he also the capacity to know what is good, what is evil and everything in between(Things that are morally neutral,like seasons, times, and measurements).Man also is a rational creature, so he has the ability to think, reflect,solve problems, discern between good and evil, and make free decisions. For which he is held morally accountable by God. All these powers and potentials that man possesses, demonstrate that he is made in the image and likeness of God.And his tripartite nature further demonstrates that he is made in the image of the Holy Trinity, who is Father,Son and the Holy Spirit.

What is natural for man is right reason and virtue.What is unnatural for him is the inversion of reason,and turning his will away from God.Because man was created by God for virtue and for glory.That glory being the divine energy which magnifies the human nature.So that human nature may have the likeness of God and to live in full communion with God.

The image and likeness of God in man gives him the ability to access and to know God.The primary faculty by which man does so is the nous.The nous is the symphony between mind and heart.Man knows God properly, by conjoining his mind and heart together and turning his mind and heart towards God through prayer,asceticism and the practice of virtue.By doing this, man regains the likeness of God,and by regaining the likeness of God he begins to regain the knowledge of God intellectually and ontologically.This is how man is able to access God, through the energies of God.And through this process, man gains self-knowledge and thus he begins to see reality more clearly and more correctly.
(Note: There might be other paradigms who claim to have theonomous epistemology.But because they have been refut...
Polytheism
Polytheism
Can the gods or one of the gods do away with the rest?
Can the gods or one...
No
No
Then they are not omnipotent, and they are subject to a higher law. And there would have to be a mediating factor that limits them.
Then they are not omn...
Therefore, they do not have omniscience because omniscience entails knowledge of all possibilities.And if there are things that they are not capable of actualizing then they have no knowledge of those possibilities.And they also have no knowledge of how to actualize those possibilities.
Therefore, they do not have omnis...
Then they cannot ground knowledge.
Then they cannot gro...
Yes
Yes
Then there are at least some gods that can't prevent themselves getting destroyed. And therefore, they are not omnipotent.Which means they do not have all knowledge.
Then there are at least some go...
The gods can prevent themselves from being done away with, if they want.
The gods can prevent...
If they can prevent that, then they can't destroy one another. You just contradicted yourself.
If they can prevent tha...
You're stuck with autonomous epistemology. See flowcharts on the left.
You're stuck with au...
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